I’ve spent much of the past month meeting with social media monitoring companies to find a supplier that can manage searches and analysis in Asian languages. I’ve been geeking out on some of the applications, and, without the hint of apology, challenging a lot of what I’ve seen. I hope the folks I’ve met with have enjoyed the discussions.
While I’ve been quite impressed with how far Asian language buzz, sentiment and share of voice dashboards have come, the spectre of “social media marketing” raised its head in three of the discussions.
Naturally, as an inquisitive fellow, I pushed them on this point. With the innocence of a new-born lamb, I asked them precisely what they meant by “marketing” in a social media context. The response? “Seeding”. Now, for the uninitiated, “seeding” has little to do with the planting seeds in fertile soil and nourishing them to grow.
Sadly, it seems, “seeding” has a lot to do with spamming forums and blogs with often inappropriate commercial messages.
This is akin to arriving late (and uninvited) to a party that’s in full swing. Then strolling casually into the middle of an intense discussion and yelling “buy a car from Chan’s Auto Yard!” Next step is to run out of the party, never to be heard from again.
Now come on people (and seeders). Who are we kidding here? Is this behaviour acceptable in any community in which you operate? Is this “marketing”? No. It is spamming pure and simple. And what makes it worse, is that as corporates discover the genuine influence of social media discussions, they’re defaulting to these sorts of tactics and running the risk of doing their brands considerably more harm than good.
I understand the good folks that are paid to “seed” in this way are referred to as “gunners” (in traditional Chinese cheng churn meaning, literally, hired guns).
So, let’s break this down. You identify a forum like Uwants or DiscussHk as an influential channel where discussions relevant to your brand, product or service are taking place. People care enough (or, at least are passionate enough) to share their feelings and ask probing questions. Instead of joining the conversation in a meaningful way by replying to posts or establishing a contributing and helpful role within the community, you instead hire a gunner to spam inappropriate comments at this influential audience.
I can only assume that this approach is based on the assumption that at least a “key message” is “placed” in the discussion; therefore this somehow constitutes marketing success. And perhaps using the direct marketing logic, maybe a 1 or 2 percent response rate justifies the expenditure. Whereas an unsolicited email can be deleted or captured by a spam filter, the gunner’s handiwork lives on in the digital record. Ideally forum moderators or bloggers block such comments, but if they let them remain, they are nothing more than a reminder for most netizens that the offending company has no understanding of social media conventions and should be at best ignored, and, at worst, flamed.
Companies need to realize that there really is no such thing as spamming your way to social media influence. Influence is established through trusted relationships built over time. It appears that for many companies in Hong Kong, these types of relationships aren’t worth the investment required. I fear that until we reach a stage where the communities voice their objections, however, our forums are blogs destined to be the playground of these digital gate-crashers.
It does raise the question of how else to engage in these vital channels. The answer is pretty clear. Like any community, you need to understand the discussion, so spend time researching and reading. Determine which forum threads or blogs focus on topics you’re interested in. Look at the language of discussion and analyse the nature of comments and posts. Consider how you can meaningfully join the conversation – how can you add value? Can you answer a question? Point people to new information? Introduce a new topic that the community will value?
And remember, by starting down this path, you’re making a commitment to the community. Once you’re in, you should stay in. And through this, you’ll develop the relationships marketers only dreamt of a decade ago.
Finally, a call to action. For those who really value the digital communities they’ve helped build and increasingly see as a preferred place for discussion, debate and research, now is the time to take back the night. Next time you see a post that’s clearly “gunned”, make it clear that they’re not welcome in your ‘hood.
- Jeremy
Note, this article appeared in the June 2009 issue of Marketing Magazine Hong Kong

4 comments:
Nice insights Jeremy!
Before I continue, I would like to state a disclaimer that I work for one of the social media monitoring companies you may have approached, but the following views are my personal views.
Besides seeding, I have learn from meeting with clients and partners on some interesting ideas on the use of the social information.
For example, if you identify that a channel or community is negative towards your brand, you should look at why the negativity exist and address these points.
If the client or company isn't ready to engage the individuals in the forums, then the points can be addressed in the client's blog, if they have one, or they can create a microsite which addresses these issues.
If the channel or community is found to be positive to your brand, then the best idea I heard is to engage the community entirely with a possible offsite event. This allow for the PR/marketer to engage only with the moderator or the media owner to arrange for this event, and it does not require any of the forum members to disclose their identity online.
Furthermore, the event itself is a good content opportunity for the marketer to look at to increase content on the company's blog.
Another example would be to use the information as research data for content creation on a blog post. If the information provides you a good view on rising trends, you could use this as content or ideas for the next blog post.
This takes out the guesswork in wondering what will interest the readers.
As social media marketers, the media portion is well understood and most used as a science. The social part, I feel is more of an art form.
Hey Aaron - nice suggestions. Agree, it is an imperfect world and the leap to full-on participation concerns many companies. Like the offline / online connection - from my POV it is all about influence regardless of channel. Social media can't exist in a vaccuum. Also like the push back to a corporate blog idea - perhaps a more comfortable environment. But fishing where the fish are is surely the best way to gain traction with your community.
- Jeremy
Yes some good points there - on my blog I suspect I've been having some of these 'gunners'. Basically, they are clearly people who can get through the captcha, but their comments are canned generic stuff that may or may not relate to the post ('Wonderful posting. You are having interested points. I will follow your blog immediately.'). And the link to their website is usually the giveaway, being a commercial site of some kind. What puzzles me more sometimes is when they don't leave a website, but it still looks like 'gunner spam'.
Usually I delete those with a website link. The others may get the benefit of the doubt.
Thanks Julian. Sounds like you've been hit by link baiters. They want to boost their Google juice by creating inbound links from your blog to their sites. My advice? Kill anything that doesn't add value to the conversation.
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